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Vanilla Ice


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Not sure if anyone is checking the forums or not but wanted to spread the word; I GOT A NEW MOTOR!


so, i picked up a K20A2.  it was out of an 04 and i got it for $1600.  dude originally wanted 2200 for it but...  you know me! 


Plans are as follows:


tear the dam thing apart, install 9:1 compression pistons, eagle h-rods, stage 3 head, put it back together, tune it, and try not to blow it up again.


other plans are: Install JDM steering wheel,  ITR recaros, possible HID conversion (gotta break the news to the lady) 


Jay if youre reading this, i will be on break until i get this car running again.  If it  blows up again after all this, im giving it up.    no hard feelings but this sh*t is getting expensive. 


 


One love and im out. 



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So, i got the head off and have began taking apart the bottom end.  So far, everythings been ok; cylinder walls look good, and the pistons look healthy. 


heres the big question...   Lower compression means fewer emissions.  Ive asked around and have heard that i can run the stock 11:1 tune with 9:1 pistons and still pass smog.  anyone else heard of this?  i figure the car will run like sh*t but im not worried about that; im worried about the ref asking questions like " why is it running like that?"  guess im just venting my problems.  another question, how do i post pictures?  id like to show a few progress pix so you all can see whats up. 



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actually you can run low compression and tune to it and still pass emissions...depends on you if you want to tune to pass and then tune to perform...what will you be tuning with when its all done?that will determine if you can ref it...if you go kpro you can probably for get about, but if you just do a reflash thru Hondata then you will probably be good to go.

If you do go with the stock map for your car and ref it I do not see why you wouldn't pass...if anything it would lean out up top but hey your reffing it so it only see's 2500-3000 rpm at most...good luck with it and let us know if you need any help


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good news for me, i already have k-pro.  i was thinking of throwing the stock map for smog and a tuned map for my modifications.  i just wasnt sure if it was possible to pass with a map that was meant for a different compression ratio.  I think ill just end up going to a test only station to see. 


Im going to tune it for 9:1(conservatively).  what would be the point if i didnt right?



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oh yeah, one more thing, ive already been to the ref with k-pro.  it didnt raise any eyebrows except the fact that the car was required to be "curbside" smogged.  the car wasnt required to go under load.  the ref was dumbfounded! 

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hey john what are you going to do with the OLD HEAD from the blown motor let me know cuz i'll buy it off you and this is Jimmy wat you know about your boy got the car back and running again lol but yeah let me know tho cuz i will buy it from you if you didnt have already sold it plzz tell me you didnt yet cuz if you didnt i'll pick it up from you when i get back into town next year and yeah your throttle body from your old motor im willing to buy if you still have it


oh yeah i forgot to tell you man if your going for a HIGH HP car dont get EAGLE RODz man i been reading up on some forums at club rsx and i been hearing a lot of bad news about it giving out so yeah i suggest you go with other rods because to me it looks like your going big in HP

and John why you saying your car is going to blow man its not going to blow if you get it TUNE man get that **** TUNE and you'll be fine sheet you hardly race it GOOD TUNE MEAN GOOD LONGEVITY

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hey man, i was trying to call back and got no answer.  n-e-way, the OLD HEAD is most likely smashed; it might not be salvageable.  and, unfortunately i will need my throttle body since i only picked up a long block.  as for the rods, i will take that into consideration.  there are many manufacturers out there and i guess i just threw a name out there.  for power, im probably only going to see about 280 at the wheels at 15psi.  like i said, im looking for a bit of longevity so a conservitave tune is where im going.  call me what you want but i enjoy driving the dam thing and i hate seeing it sit in the garage.  i like to get out and bury the occasional mustang/camaro/mercedes

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its a common misconception for eagle rods breaking and what notbut as with everything that deals with engine building "if its put together right,it will last".If you go with eagle rods make sure you get the ARP rod bolts...call around and ask shops(reputable of course)and ask what their opinion is on your set up...

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definately ARP bolts.  Was even thinking of replacing the head bolts.  Yeah, I will ask.  I've been on clubrsx's forums alot lately to see whos running what and whats blown up.  There's no guarantee with any modification!!!   sucks!

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Vanilla Ice wrote:

definately ARP bolts.  Was even thinking of replacing the head bolts.  Yeah, I will ask.  I've been on clubrsx's forums alot lately to see whos running what and whats blown up.  There's no guarantee with any modification!!!   sucks!


 


hey man once you get the car running you have to come to the race track and time your sheet imma be ordering some RIMS and REAL DRAG SLICKz so yeah your welcom to try out the slicks if you like. FUC 280 John lets go for 300+ lol



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Vanilla Ice wrote:


another question, how do i post pictures?  id like to show a few progress pix so you all can see whats up. 




 


Click ON ATTACH IMAGES than SCROLL DOWN where it says FILE UPLOAD and CLICK BROWSE than go through your computer and find the pictures you want to attach and CLICK OPEN OR OK you got that man lol



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  HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE OLD MOTOR. 

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Vanilla Ice wrote:

  HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE OLD MOTOR. 

dam john you didnt have to do that to your motor man if you wanted it blown you should have ask me to do it ask Gyrex he knows wassup

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i did 'er real good! she was a bad girl so i had to break 'er off!!! 

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looks like she needed some "ack rite" as patrick would say.

Aye John, is your manifold flanged for a T3 style turbine inlet? If so....you should look into the garret ball bearing turbos. GT30R.....once you go ball bearing, youll never go back.....never...

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yes sir, i believe it is!  the only problem is that ball bearing turdblows are expensive.  good news for me, i will be underworking the turbine i have now so i might not have to upgrade just yet. Havent you ever seen the sh*t thats on there now?  they went way big on the RSX  application.  come on...  11:1 compression needs that big of a snail????  the turbo was only supposed to produce 5psi on the stock engine with the reflash and it looks like it wants to boost 20 all day!!!    i see your point Ted, but its not in my budget right now. my main goal is to get this fuccer running again.  im getting depressed looking at it in the garage. she looks sad. 

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i feel your pain John dont worry about it it will be up and running in no time and whats the date when your car will be running again.. oh yeah is there anything good coming out of the old motor can you list wats good and not


-- Edited by I GoTz A TyPe S at 10:44, 2006-12-20

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jimmy and john you should invest in these
contact bisi on bisimoto.com and ask him what he can do for you alot of rsx guys on hondatech run these with no clearance problems and they are affordable.Bisi runs these on his drag car and they are light as hell check out the spinwerkes website its not done yet but you can call the number and talk to them
here are the weights for their rimshttp://www.spinwerkes.com/
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13x7: 7.4lbs.
13x8: 8.2lbs.
13x10: 8.6lbs.

15x3.5 (rear skinny; bolt pattern): 7.7lbs.
15x3.5 (rear skinny, spindle mount): 9.3lbs.
15x7: 9.2lbs.
15x8: 9.7lbs.
15x10: 10.5lbs.

Rims are CNC spun 6061-T6 aluminum, with forged centres of the same grade aluminum.

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but thats a 4lug im already ordering my drag rims and slicks.... but i wouldnt mind having the skinny's

-- Edited by I GoTz A TyPe S at 03:42, 2006-12-21

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nope they make them in all patterns i talked to bisi for you guys ask for the 360 series spinwerkes centres that will clear you rotor and caliper no problem and with out a spacer.Also available in 5x114

-- Edited by allmotor avocado at 05:06, 2006-12-21

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how fancy is that?!  ill check it out at a later date.  Like i said before, gotta get the dam thing running first.  Thanks for the heads up though!  :)


Jimmy, Im not too sure what is salvageable at this point.  all i got was a longblock so i will be need ing my throttle body, intake manifold, etc.    i may end up with an extra set of camshafts, knock sensor(among other sensors), valve cover; but i plan to selll everything i can to make back some cash.  motors dont build themselves, cash does. 



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hey john when you plan on finishing your project??

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im not really sure.  funds are the issue right now.  umm, i plan to take my time with this and get it back together better than it was assembled in the first place.  i will send the block and head out after the new year and hopefully get it back within a minimal amount of time.  There will be a few extra things i will need to pick up before i can even drive the car.  After i get the motor back in, i will need to tune it for daily driving, work out the bugs,  and also tune for max power(conservative).  all that being said, id say this coming summer???  dont hold me to that but thats what i estimate if things go well.  you never know man, stupid sh*t  always tends to hold you up. 

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no problem.. sounds like a cool deal if it gets done in the summer but yeah i just want you to come out to the track with us and try it with real slicks since im going to be purchasing them pretty soon maybe this time you will break 13z who know maybe high 12z

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theres a vid for you rsx guys


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also went to test and tune yesterday to try my new slicks out (bogarts all around)and preloading the tranny messing with my launches...new personal best of 13.700 and still completely stock can't wait to see what times the new motor will bring but that will be done hopefully by next summer

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thats quite impressive; you and the rsx. 


yeah, it would be nice to see high 12's.  thats fast enough for me.  i always believe that the faster you are, the more things that break. 



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Vanilla Ice wrote:


i always believe that the faster you are, the more things that break. 




couldn't have said it better

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